Black Moon Lilith Astrology-Mean & True.
ASTROLOGY OF LILITH RISING
Black Moon Lilith is the archetype of the Dark Goddess that I have mentioned in other Blogs. Her myth comes from Lilith, Adams first wife who refused to lay beneath him during the sexual act and otherwise. She chose to be exiled from paradise rather to submit to God. She is also the serpent who tempted Eve with the forbidden fruit (enlightenment/sex), which then banished both Adam & Eve from paradise also. There are many full versions of this myth on the net so I don’t want to repeat them all here. But for me she represents the Witch archetype. Magic, the kundalini, occult knowledge, the taboo, owning your sovereignty, the shadow, dreams, psychic ability, goddess power and creativity that is not just about making babies.
MEAN & OSCULATING
With Black Moon Lilith there are two points that you can place in the chart. The Mean and the True (or Osculating.) I used to think the True wasn’t important until I saw it rising in the chart of Marilyn Monroe and then decided to look it up and see if it was relevant. I like what Juan Antonio Revilla says about it here:
“The Mean Apogee or Black Moon… It’s movement is actually as round and regular as the hands of a clock and it is very easy to calculate. This roundness of its motion is not a good representative of the nocturnal and magic demoness Lilith; “ he goes onto say. “The Osculating Apogee,… Some people reject it because it doesn’t make any sense to them to have it swing as much as 30 degrees from the mean position and have abrupt and irregular changes of velocity and direction, but I think it is precisely this erratic behavior what makes it the best representative of the irrational, instinctive, and primal symbolism of Lilith.”
THE HALLOWEEN ZONE
I am thinking True Osc Lilith could be the more unstable side of Lilith. The shadow, the instincts. Like a magic potion in the process of alchemy, and an anaretic planet it is in the last stages of regeneration, about to flip into something else. The Mean Lilith on the other hand is a more focused stable and mature magic.
Kelly Hunter writer of “ Living Lilith: Four Dimensions of the Cosmic Feminine.” proposes a Lilith corridor between these two, sometimes they can be up to 30 degrees apart. The closer they are, the more potent the energy, diluting as the gap widens. Any planet in there will have a Lilith flavour. Any transiting planet there will fall under it’s spell.
I think of it as being area where the boundaries to the spirit realms are thinnest, where you can tap into the collective consciousness and find divine inspiration. A kind of Haloween zone. But as barriers dissolve it can attract energy vampires. A very tight corridor could function like a black hole, it could suck things in very quickly, you’d have to work that much harder to slay off the demons. For me Black Moon Lilith has a Neptunian flavour. The glamour, the spiritualism, the altered states and it’s hypnotic, mesmerising quality.
To make things easier I will address True Lilith as Osc Lilith from now on because I think the Osc describes it’s unstableness very well, I like to think it has a sexy wiggle! I will address Mean Lilith as BML. (The Black Moon Lilith we all know and love) I decided to look at the Black Moon Liliths rising or featured in the 1st house. Such a strong firey placement for them should then push that type of Lilith energy to the forefront of a persons life and identity. Having them conjunct Mars or the Sun would do the same.
THE MYSTICS
Stanislas De Guaita came from an Italian noble family, then moved to Paris where he hung out with poets, artists and writers who were interested in the esoteric. In 1888 he formed the Cabalistic order of the Rosicrucian. An group of occultists who studied Jewish mysticism. In the first house Osc Lilith and BML bookend a power packed Lilith corridor containing Dark Moon, Venus and the Sun. He has Neptune rising which is the mystic. Osc Lilith is conjunct ghostly Dark Moon, which makes it doubly demonic, but as it is the the hands of a highly evolved soul, we can only imagine this compelling magic was put to it’s highest use. They are conjunct by only 39″ (seconds!) Both conjunct harmonic Venus (75′) His more stable BML is conjunct his Sun (2 degs) Very strong Lilith signature here for this “Warlock”.
1960′s counter culture “Guru” Timothy Leary had a black hole of a Lilith corridor, only 5 degs wide in the 1st. The midpoint of the Osc Lilith and BML opposing a Ceres/ Pluto conjunction (03′) . This aptly describes his use of psychedelics drugs. Using that Plutonic portal to access the shadow realms of the psyche. I see Ceres as being the wisdom of mother earth speaking to us through plants and herbs, psychedelics such as mushrooms and Ayahuasca fall under that category. Osc Lilith sextiles his North Node (62′) also trining Pluto/Ceres (2 degs) making this journey into sacred medicines part of his life’s calling. He also had the fortunate, fiery-red star Antares rising and Pluto/Ceres quincunx the AC. Great vehicle for his “tripping”.
Another “Warlock” in kind, author of “Lord Of the Rings” J R R Tolkien has a Lilith corridor in the 1st containing Saturn, crystallising his stories into a solid form of magic. His Osc Lilith trines North node on Algol.(85′) BML is sesqui the North Node/Algol also. (1 deg 6′) Obviously his life’s mission was to bring these fairytales and myths into the public realm as Timothy Leary’s mission was to raise public awareness of altered states.
Liz Green is probably one of the most famous Astrologers on the planet. Her psychological approach written in a highly digestible style winning her fans all over the world. Also behind Astro.com enabling the public to work magic with their own charts. Her 1st house is loaded with all 4 Liliths. She has a powerful black hole there, Osc Lilith/BML conjunction trines psychological Pluto (71′) BML trines the MC.(24′) Magic and shadow work influence her career.
MESMERISING ARTISTES
Marilyn Monroe had a magnetism that was off the scales. The camera loved her osculating hips. She has Osc Lilith rising, opening a Lilith corridor from the 12th spanning down into the 1st. It contains glamourous Neptune and voluptuous Ceres. Osc Lilith is semi sextile sexually intense Pluto. (33′) BML is quincunx Uranus (04′) and square Asteroid Lilith (19′). So here we have the conflict, her sexuality V her emancipation. She did have a few lesbian flings (Uranus), disillusion by being treated as a sex object. Desperately insecure, her oozing sexuality overwhelmed her. That BML is trined by charming and beautiful Venus.(18′) So not something you can hide!
Pablo Picasso was an artistic genius. The most prolific and famous artist of the 20th century. Still painting and sexually active at the age of 90! He had an black hole corridor in the first with Osc rising widely (3 degs). It squared Saturn (66′) giving him that wrinkly sex appeal and longevity as an artist. Osc Lilith also trines the Moon and North Node. That all important artistic mission aided by lunar imagination and the ladies.. His muses were his many wives and lovers. BML is quincunx hell raising Eris (43′) and trined Neptune (63′) his artistic experiments did challenge the established art world at the time.
Johann Sebastian Bach created music that hypnotised the ear. His magical harpsichord concertos sounded like heaven. And his famous organ piece Toccata & fugue is truly mesmerising. Osc Lilith leaning into the 1st quincunx racing Mars (26′),( his pieces were FAST) and trined Saturn (75′) Technically structural masterpieces in his work house. BML is semi sextile his mystical Sun in the 12th house, uplifting heavenly music yes! His long Black Moon corridor spans the 2nd house of cash and contains the Lilith star Algol. He made music and money from taking us up to the heavens with his entrancing music. If Bach was alive today he’d probably be playing trance music on synths!
Johnny Cash, troubled Country singer and “Man In Black” His distinctive deep vocals intonating songs of sorrow and redemption. He got clean after a spiritual epiphany during a drug induced suicide attempt. All very Lilithian themes. Not surprising then to see he has Osc Lilith rising conjunct the North Node (06″) He has a long Lilith corridor spanning the whole of the 1st house putting it at the forefront of his persona. It contains Lilith flavoured Eris (outlaw), Venus (love) & Uranus (genius). It culminates with a BML in opposition to Asteroid Lilith (63′) on lucky musicians Star Spica. His 5 decade career and regeneration after meeting his 35yr work & soul mate June Carter, are beautifully described by his Lilith story. Traditionalists might look to Pluto to cover this. He does have Pluto trine the AC by 3 degs, but you don’t get the intricate details until you look at the bodies closer to home.
THE BLACKEST OF THE BLACK
Let’s start with the slate grey and get darker…
Cult filmmaker David Lynch famed for his portrayal of the dark underbelly of small town America. His surreal and ghostly work includes Erazerhead, The Elephant Man, Blue Velvet and Twin Peaks. He is also a practitioner of transcendental meditation. He has the more stable BML Lilith rising (04′) trining an EXACT Mars/Saturn conjunction (43″) giving it the gruesome edge. His Osc Lilith in the 1st, semi-sextile nightmarish Dark Moon. His Osc Lilith semi-squares mercury. His films have a disturbing quality that jolt the mind into facing it’s demons.
Blue eyed Boy David Soul, looked cute as Hutch in the 70′s hit cop show, but behind the pretty exterior and the romantic songs lurked an alcoholic wife beater. He reformed and moved to london were he regained success in the West end theatre. His intensely grouped Black Moon Lilith corridor starts with an moody Osc Lilith conjunct the Moon (28′) sandwiched in between that Moon and BML is Pluto (Domestic violence). That’s a pretty touchy bunch of explosives there, ignited by a trine to Osc Lilith from stick of dynamite in the shape of Eris. BML gets a trine from the Vertex in the 5th too, showing fateful encounters with lovers could calm or inflame this set up.
Ron Hubbard takes us back the the mesmerising aspect of Lilith. The cult leader of Scientology has his Osc Lilith rising 65′. It’s at the door of his Halloween zone, spanning back into the Cult-ish 12th house with zealous Asteroid Lilith in the middle, culminating with BML on the fortunate, but obsessive fixed star Antares. (The heart of the scorpion) Unstable Osc Llith is also square his Sun (05′) which would give his Solar presence a bewitching quality and quintile Chiron (07′) which further amps up his Guru qualities. All together gives him the great aura of a powerful spiritual healer.
British serial killer Peter “Yorkshire Ripper” Sutcliffe murdered 13 women mainly prostitutes, he brutally attacked many more women. He was married, but his wife was unable to bear children. He has a concentrated Lilith corridor with BML rising (72′) and Osc Lilith 4 degs away in the 12th, both straddling the AC. They are both sesqui the Vertex in the 8th house. He certainly had fateful sexual encounters, ending for his victims with the loss of their lives. Sex & death morbidly brought together here in the 8th house. Charming Venus quincunxing nasty Dark Moon plugs into this with a sickeningly mesmerizing quintile to Osc Lilith, which was how he probably got away with it for so long. Interesting that while he was stealing womens lives, the negative side of Lilith was also stealing babies, his wife suffer many miscarriages.
Lastly in the deepest darkest Lilith pit we have British homosexual killer Dennis Nilsen, who murdered atleast 15 men and boys , then had sex with their corpses. Not surprised to see another tight dark corridor in the 1st house with BML squaring Pluto (05′) bringing out the raping and sadistic side of this icy hellhole. Not only that, Osc Lilith is squaring a demonic Dark Moon both in the power-hungry tenth. BML is the midpoint of charming Venus and Osc Lilith. He was known as the “Kindly Killer” exclaiming “Good grief, how awful!” when police revealed there was human flesh blocking his drains. BML also opposes the Vertex forming a T square to Pluto. Vertex in the 7th. Again like Sutcliffe, fateful encounters fell into his Lilith deathtrap and ended up in his drains. (Pluto). 7th being the house of open enemies as well as relationship.
TABOO
As you can see Lilith has the potential to become severely warped. But it’s dangers come from it’s repression. For fear of being overwhelmed by its power, it can become the taboo area in your chart. With Lilith repressed or in difficult aspect, one is most likely to exhibit it’s negative side: manipulation, brainwashing, drug addiction, sadist/masochistic tendencies, raging anger, misogyny (in men) nymphomania and bunny boilerism.
As I said in my intro, Osculating Lilith and Mean Lilith can be as far as 30 degs apart. In this zone barriers to the spirit world are thinner. It describes a process. Osculating Lilith opens the door to the Black Moon corridor, but it’s an unstable magic potion. By the time you get to Mean Lilith, it’s magic has fermented into something more stable.
People with tight corridors will have a more concentrated, intense Lilith experience, one where the barriers are so thin as to be a hole. This is what I liken to a black hole. With so much psychic information coming in at once, it can be a battle sifting through what is demonic and what is a genuine intuitive flash. Any planets conjunct this area will give clues to where the battle will manifest.
Not everyone has a strong Lilith, which sometimes can be a blessing this patriarchal society. But things are changing and with Pluto making so many hard generational aspects over the next few years, society is being confronted with that what has been repressed more than ever before. On a personal level, Lilith works as an agent for Pluto in your own chart. Showing not only where to fight your demons, but ultimately where your gold is buried.
NEW! Dark Goddess Reading
Marina Funk. 9th February 2010.
Related posts:
Introducing the 3 Liliths
Angelina Jolie-Dark Goddess Reading
Asteroid Lilith, Dark Moon Lilith, Black Moon Lilith
I love your BML pieces and find looking at my True Lilith conjunct the North Node, super interesting. I have the other two conjunct and exact oppose Mars in Libra so was aware of that, but this true conjunct the North also effects the Nodal square to natal Jupiter. When Mars hit the Nodes last time, I tossed a whole lot of cookies into the air only to do a complete turn around a month or so later. So I was super aware of the possible reaction to it this time around, still am and am happy to remain tentative. Thanks for the heads up with this one xo
Thanks so much Karen:))
Wow, True Lilith conjunct the North Node is potent. Plus you have Mars opposing the Liliths too. Hot stuff, I know it too well.
I found my True Lilith (Osculating) was even closer conjunct my Mars (21′) than Mean Lilith when I discovered it. That sent me into an osculating spin I can tell you!
Keep up the great work on Lilith, Marina. I really appreciate the reading you did for me and it gave me a great deal of insight into my sexual kinkiness. My friends have said that since I have been talking about Lilith, she is popping up everywhere in their consciousness. I think that is so cool. Also…kudos for considering L Ron Hubbard. Whatever you think about scientology, you have to admit that Hubbard was a helluva guru.
absolutely FANTASTIC post, Marina!
The idea of the Lillith corridor between the mean and true dark Moon is fascinating…i have to look mine up now.
Keep up the GREAT work!!
OMG Marina (as our American friends would say). Your Osc Lilith is between your BM Lilith (17′) and Mars (20′). That’s one powerful Halloween zone. The triple conjunctions of Jupiter Chiron Neptune at that zone in your chart sure activated some powerful Lilith energy in you. This weekend there is a Neptune New Moon on your Marsy Liliths. Awesome! A big month coming up for you. Seems like this is your destiny, Lilith guru.
Ewwwwww….I too must hop on Solar fire to check my own personal Samhain. My intuition tells me its dark!!! lol…Thanks for the wisdom “Lilith Guru.” It was coherant, beauiful, and inspriing. Dig it. So does this mean you wanna be on the podcast now???
namaste.
So,,,is there a way to display both the Osc and BML at the same time in Solar fire, or do you have to just redraw the chart? And, yes, its dark!!! lol
Thank’s for the great feedback everyone! I guess I’d better make use of that Neptune New Moon this weekend and write the summary of all the Liliths and the what I have learnt from my journey to the Halloween zone…..
THEN yes Adam I feel confident that I can speak with authority about Lilith now. My knowledge has matured from Osculating to Mean Mother F*****!
I don’t know about Solar Fire, I need to get it now that my new Mac supports windows. But I need it to show all the Lilith’s at once.
thank u for that helpful article but can I ask
if lilith (4 pisces) square the sun (2 sag.) and the moon (26 scorpio) in the natal chart.
how that will affect a girl in her future (24 nov. 1992) 00:45 am cairo egypt.
thank you in advance
@Hanan
Hi Hanan.
Your Sun square Black Moon Lilith is just over 2 degs so yes that’s just in orb. Some would say your magic and sexuality would be at odds with men in general or you would find it hard to integrate it with your own life force. But squares get things done.
The Sun in (Sidereal) Scorpio is intense and passionate and Lilith in Aquarius is eccentric, but unique. It’s in the 6th house of daily work. You have to find an occupation that allows you do express your individuality. Otherwise you may have run-ins with the boss (Sun). Your Sun is your creative spark, it’s in the house of communications, so you do need to express yourself verbally, but not shout! lol.?Best to be your own boss I would think.
It looks like your Sun is on the fixed star Antares too, which is can make you tough, a bit of a dare-devil with great mental alertness and courage. But with Lilith could make a person “rash, ravenous, headstrong and destructive to themselves by their own obstinacy. [ANTARES by Robson*, 136.]”?So be careful of that side of it.
Read all you can about Black Moon Lilith. As you can see it’s energies can go either way. It’s up to you to find a channel for it to work beneficially. BML square Sun is a big deal, but more so because Sun is on Antares. Ron L Hubbard has BML on Antares and look what he did with that! Your’s is in square, so it must mean, like him you have great personal charisma.?Watch out for being too hot tempered and aggressive. As you get older I think you will find it easier to use this aspect wisely and you have the potential for great personal power and success.
It’s too wide to affect the Moon, so don’t worry about that!
Hope that was helpful.
Bewitching it is, indeed! Really interesting points to meditate on, Marina. So, just to clarify, the “corridor” is the space between Oscillating Lilith and True Mean Lilith, correct? It gets confusing with all the different Lilith’s some times! I have a 9 degree span with Saturn conjunct TML in Scorpio. The Lilith myth/theme has been a strong one all my life, something that I’m continually forced to deal with, so your article is enlightening. Thank you so much, Marina. I appreciate your vision.
Thanks Vanessa,
Yes the corridor is between the both of them. Oh confusing Lilith, to clarify again, True Lilith is the osculating one and Mean Lilith is just the normal one!
I think Dark Moon should be renamed “Ghost Moon” also. I might start calling it that from now on myself.
I spoke to Kelley Hunter on Facebook today, she said she did think Black Holes were connected to Lilith and also Galactic centre. Very interesting!
Okay, I’ve got it now. Thank you for the rapid clarification! It’s interesting you bring up the Black Holes correlation with Lilith – from the first time I heard of black holes, that was the feeling I got, you know, somewhere deep inside that I can’t let go of, that they are connected or one in the same YES! My understanding at this point is that Ghost Moon is a node, similar to Rahu/Ketu – like a sister actually – a feminine reflection (mirror) of the masculine dynamic of nodes and their impact -which is tremendous and powerful! Maybe I’m wrong in the astronomy department but I do recall my initial gut reaction *click* when I learned the calculations – that she was a point of alignment – a “shadowy” graha (one that seizes in sanskrit), not an embodied planet, just like Rahu/Ketu. Why wouldn’t Ghost Moon, as you so aptly named her, have as much impact and power? For there is balance and harmony in all the Universe – there is feminine (shakti) to masculine (shiva) is everything. (I’m a vedic student btw) I’ve been fascinated with Ghost Moon for a long, long time. Just now things are starting to open up and it’s about time!
What a trip – the Galactic Center – the alignment in 2012. Now, this could get REALLY exciting! Thank you SO much Marina ~ I’ll be following this all with great fascination!
Lilith mania indeed! I’m pretty flattered beyond recognition that the Face of Lilith Herself found my article clarifying, so thank you thank you thank you.
This is awesome, and extremely telling- it kind of speaks to what I was saying, about a more constructive (or stable) application of Lilith vs. a kind of warped and deranged one, or rather, the most extreme twist on your culturally prescribed role. I am, however, a little bit confused as to how one exactly finds the True Lilith and calculates the corridor. I’m very curious to do mine (my BML is at 10+ Pisces in my 10th House, widely conjoining my Sun-Mercury- explains quite a bit, doesn’t it?), but my brain is currently snow-mush and I’m having a hard time following the math.
this is for astro.com:
black moon lilith (mean) is the main one in the extended chart selection
oscillating black moon lilith (true) h13
asteroid lilith 1181
Waldemath, dark moon lilith h58
@Jamie Funk
Thank you sir.
My True Lilith is at 0+ Aries retrograde. So my Lilith corridor has a tight stranglehold on my Sun, Mercury and Ceres all in Pisces. Not to mention that True Lilith squares my 7th House Neptune and Black Moon Lilith makes an exact T-square with my nodes. I am indeed a poisonous blowfish, or a shark.
Hi Marina, I added the url to this blog in my Lilith Edits
Kingsley
Marina –
Curious of how you would interpret my lilith and BML conjunct my MC within 1 degree at 2:09 and 2:25 aqua..also have algol exact conj asc. my other lilith (1181) is in the first house between jupiter and true node 4 degrees so, that may not be close enough to count. Hoping you have the patience for one more as this is absolutely fascinating to me lately as it explains so very much.
@susnshine_rocker
So you have a Lilith black hole on your MC. Are you working in a Lilith type profession? The occult, tarot reading, astrology? Herbalist or healer? As I said in the article, the Black Hole is real hard to handle, I battle with mine all the time. Do you get flashes of prophetic, uncannily accurate info from the Universe right at the same time as sexual jealousy or plain rage at someone?
Algol on the AC! Phew I knew someone with that, very charismatic, but also a problem with alcohol.Then had an awakening while meditating where they felt their 3rd eye and saw visions. Its very psychic, but can drive you crazy. I think thats why the ancients made it out to be “evil” Have you had those sort of issues?
I found our recently my 6 yr old daughter has BML on Algol. What a gift! Hardly a demon, but she does have. The STARE…
Your Black hole corridor is on my Sun at 2degs 03′ Aqua:)))
@Lucy
I think everyone I click with instantly has a strong Lilith. We should form a coven.
Ha ha! And my BML squares my Neptune too (20′) Shark? Crumbs…
I reckon Lilith is one of the factors in ace Astrologers. Look at Liz Green. She had none of the astrologers fixed stars or Astrologers degrees. But her Liliths!
@Vanessa Keys
BML is the one that works like a node. That’s why, like the Nodes it has a true and mean version.
So everything you say goes very nicely with BML, the Shakti/Shiva. Yes!
And as you say she is a point of alignment, comparing her to the nodes is great. I think the Vertex actually works even more like Lilith, there you can really get sucked in. Fits in with the Black hole theory too.
The Dark Moon(Waldemath.) is what I was calling the “Ghost” Moon. Discussing this has really helped to clarify the 3 Liliths for me when I write the summary. Thanks for all the input everyone:))))
I have Lilith and Osc. Lilith at less than 1 degree apart in the 9th House. They are both conjunct the Moon in Gemini.
Both are sextile Saturn and sesquisquare Mars.
@AyeCantSeeYou
Jesus! I think thats the tightest Black Hole corridor I’ve ever heard of AND conjunct the moon too. How does that feel?
Mars fires it up and Saturn restricts. Interesting tug of war going on there.
Marina, let’s just say the tug of war can be a living hell. ‘Interesting’ doesn’t even begin to describe it at times, ‘scary’ may be a better word, depending on what all else is going on at the time!
I want to thank you for your explanation of Lilith, though. It’s by far the best I’ve come across yet.
Yes, ok I’ll go with SCARY!!!. I have Mars conjunct Lilith, so I know what that feels like. Breathing fire and great big flapping dragon wings or something like that….
I’m going to chime in with AyeCantSeeYou here – your interpretations of (all) Liliths is amazingly clarifying – and you slay me with the paintings you create with words!!
so glad I have come across your blog! A little exhausted from the long journey and quest for for healing. Hope to find some consolation here amongst kindred souls…
Hi Lil(li)ane,
Thanks, I’ve learnt too there are quite a few kindred souls out there and its great to be cosmically “traveling” together. Check out the links to our favourite blogs. I have a few different, probably more witchy links on my Lilith Pages section.
The more I KNOW LILITH,THE MORE I SEE ME!
SARA ELIZABETH CHURCH(birth name)2/18
the more I am learning than i already knew lilith,the amazingly UN FREEAKIN CANNY almost SPPOKY resemblence to ME,MY LIFE as I HAVE BEEN CALLED!
Lillith conjunct Neptune coming up in June? still opposite Uranus? I wonder if I had a little taster yesterday when I put my head a little too far near the oven whilst lighting it!!!! Short eyelashes, short eyebrows, less and shorter hair. But hey I was lucky I could have been bold and very badly burnt. Felt really weird to be on fire physically instead of symobolically or emotionally.
Oh my!! I’ve just been looking into this. Lilith was conjunct Neptune during the Salem witch trials and hangings. Mars will be opposite it June too. Think you could have been burn’t at the take in another life?
quite possibly. Try though I may,also in this life I have never managed to be the submissive type and my nose is also a give-away.(lol!) continuously educating myself about the male ego and trying to develop some social skills as I go along…I probably always was a handful in my fight for justice and equality. I do also quite like to be in charge but didn’t think I would go as far as organising my own life bbq this coming June?! Is that progress I wonder??, hhahaha
Thanks btw for you comment. I do recognise real people anywhere!
Ok, so I just found this site through Astrofix. It’s awesome, by the way. My BML and osc Lilith are 43′ apart at 11/12 Aquarius. I think it’s interesting that I’m discovering so much info on Lilith right now! I always knew I was Plutonian, but this adds a new dimension being trine my exact Sun (Asc ruler)-Mars (MC ruler) conjunction at 11 Gemini, and located on my Desc at 6 Aqu. Recently I’ve been evaluating my relationships, and the myths of Lilith are eerily accurate when referring to power struggles and independence. They add new dimensions to the relationship “challenges” of my chart.
Wow! That is one helluva black hole Lilith corridor. The tightest I’ve heard of. Before that I knew someone with it 54′. Mine is around 1.30 degs.
Have you read Black Moon Lilith-Sex & the Chakras? That talks about the differences between the two.
I haven’t yet, but I certainly will! I also noticed that my asteroid Lilith is at 8 Cancer and my progressed sun is at 7 Cancer. Maybe that’s why I’m being drawn to all this information right now. Awesome site!
@ jjason. Thanks!:)) As for Lilithness, It will be in your personal transits yes. But I also think its because of this Lilith/Neptune conjunction. I’m being drawn to Aleister Crowley and Hermetic Arts right now. It’s been very powerful. I’m seeing it in our clients.
Marina, I went to astro.com…. new to lilith not one I had on my chart.. there are 2? so I am confused. Would you mind taking a look and telling me in my chart which is which.
number 1181 showed up at 19 degrees Sag
and when just clicked lilith its 1 degree scorp
If its the 1 degree scorp does that give me yet another type of yod to look at? The boomerang yod? with lilith as the release area?
If so I think its time to become much better versed in the YOD… lol
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This article has really put me in some kind of funk.